Mark McKinstry meets with Paolo Ruggeri and Silvia Kusada in Milano.Β Word has it that Italy will soon reign again as the most booming country for Scientology.
Wow, what a great picture. I have no doubt Italy is going to boom the real Scientology. The independants. We need to hear more about the
Italian Battalion and their wins on this blog. Love!
Scn is booming and will continue to
boom with freezoners and independents and anyone in-between! :))
scn is continuing no matter what happen to the church.
Thank you for the post Marty… yes it was real fun!!
Great great people…the One of a Kind…. a sane management would never let go.. And all ready to produce miracles in the field…
hugs
π
Hi guys, all these months of “truth rundown” have been a great way to get back into ARC with all of the friends of a lifetime. This has been a great rehabilitation, particularly finding out all the truth which was hidden from us.
At present though I do not consider myself any longer a scientologist because I have basic disagreements with the doctrine developed by L. Ron Hubbard. I don’t believe in KSW, the RPF, past lives, the LRH advices, the leadership style and many parts of the administrative system (HCO PLs) of scientology. Parts of the technology have helped me so I am not critical altogheter and I don’t think that everything should be thrown away. So even though I am supportive of the independents in their fights against the abuses of the church of scientology I am certainly not all for the subject of scientology. I don’t believe either that all of the defects of the present church of scientology should be ascribed to David Miscavige. I certainly not support the man (DM), but I believe LRH was the engineer of the system as well.
This is my position. I realize that it is different from the one of several of the people here or several of the independents but even though I think differently, be assured that in me you can have a friend and someone who respects the difference we have in opinion. You are a great person because you have decided to follow the path of self improvement, you are a great person because you have decided to stand up against the abuses, we simply do not believe in exactly the same things.
Paolo, I forgot to add this to my link. Do you think it’s just happenstance that this Dutch girl decided to play the trumpet at the age of six, and became so good by 12 that she’s performing with Andre Rieu? You make valid points about some of the failings of Scientology, but the true nature of who we are, lifetime after lifetime, is that really in doubt?
Look, I am not critical of the technology of scientology, not even of Hubbard (Jesse Prince last posts were great. It really cleared up a lot of things about what happened in the last years of hubbard life …). Several parts of the tech of scientology are useful and, in my view, helpful if the abuses and the abusive practices are taken away.
For me abusive is not only the RPF but also KSW because, in my view (but I respect yours) is an offence to my intelligence: what do you mean that only Hubbard can develop and discover things? It is a paradigm I cannot accept. Hubbard was a genius, had a lot of skills but I cannot accept someone who says “I am the only one”, it is against what I believe as far as leadership goes.
Getting to past lives: I believe I am a spirit, I believe there is a future after death, only I don’t know what it is. I, personally, like the idea of past and future lives but, my friend, we have no scientific evidence. So my answer to you is “I know there is something, I just don’t know what it is”.
Huckleberry perhaps my problem is that I am getting old and the more you study self improvement, the more questions and doubts arise. St Augustin used to say: “The more I study, the more I learn, the more uncertain I become…”. I am that way.
Now, the reason I posted what I posted is that I don’t like anymore labels. I don’t want someone to call me a scientologist or even and independent because I am not a scientologist and I am not an independent in the same way I don’t like someone to call me a follower of Stephen Covey or Seth Godin, because I read their books or practice their teachings. I am someone (and so are you) greater than any label.
And besides everything the “scientologist label” has been used in the past to exploit us of our money, of our personal lives and to make us commit things that I later deeply regretted. I feel shame for having supported for several years an abusive group like the church of scientology. So I don’t want to be associated in any way with the subject.
Besides that, I am grateful to Marty for all what has done to bring light to the subject and I do respect you and your beliefs if you want to carry on and start again scientology. I chose to stay put, to carry on with my life and to be my own guru.
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October 26, 2010 at 4:58 am
DFB aka Dfb99
I can feel the theta just looking at the picture.
I think we are almost at a tipping point if not already. More theta out than entheta in. Some such equation.
October 26, 2010 at 3:29 pm
mrinder
Fabulous! Good to see you circulating Mark!! When are you coming to Florida?
October 26, 2010 at 6:32 pm
Sinar
Great to see Indies with big, huge smiles in that neck of the woods!
October 26, 2010 at 7:47 pm
Centurion
Wonderful to see.
I read Silvia’s blog last night, and what a story that was!
I look forward to hearing more about the wins and cogs from Italy…
Pax Romana!
Centurion
October 26, 2010 at 8:18 pm
sarge
Wow, what a great picture. I have no doubt Italy is going to boom the real Scientology. The independants. We need to hear more about the
Italian Battalion and their wins on this blog. Love!
October 26, 2010 at 8:59 pm
Yin Chew
Scn is booming and will continue to
boom with freezoners and independents and anyone in-between! :))
scn is continuing no matter what happen to the church.
October 27, 2010 at 5:28 am
eddieVroom
So true, so true… π
October 26, 2010 at 10:54 pm
Scott Campbell
Viva Italia!
Great picture of you guys!
Sylvia, I was just reading your blog. Excellent stuff. You are obviously very conversant with tech and policy.
Mark, thanks for coming out and helping.
Ciao Paolo, A nemico che fugge, fa un ponte dβoro!
L, Scott
October 26, 2010 at 11:14 pm
Summer Wind
They look so happy!
October 27, 2010 at 1:55 am
SK
Great to see ya’ all. International expansion occurring right here!
October 27, 2010 at 5:56 am
Kirsi
Hey, look at you all!! Welcome to Europe, Mark !
October 27, 2010 at 6:34 am
veritas
β€
October 27, 2010 at 6:36 am
veritas
Bellissimi!
October 27, 2010 at 12:25 pm
Christie
Great to see you guys together! Mark you look GREAT! π π
October 27, 2010 at 1:34 pm
Tony DePhillips
Way to go Mark!!
Looks like a theta group.
π
October 28, 2010 at 7:46 am
Notsaware
No Kidding!!!! They also have auditors that can handle anything!!!
October 28, 2010 at 7:57 am
Silvia Kusada
Thank you for the post Marty… yes it was real fun!!
Great great people…the One of a Kind…. a sane management would never let go.. And all ready to produce miracles in the field…
hugs
π
October 29, 2010 at 1:13 am
one of those who see
Ciao! One of the highlights of the Portland Crusade was meeting the Italians. I was in love! Hope to be traveling there in 2011. Have fun.
October 29, 2010 at 8:44 am
Paolo
Hi guys, all these months of “truth rundown” have been a great way to get back into ARC with all of the friends of a lifetime. This has been a great rehabilitation, particularly finding out all the truth which was hidden from us.
At present though I do not consider myself any longer a scientologist because I have basic disagreements with the doctrine developed by L. Ron Hubbard. I don’t believe in KSW, the RPF, past lives, the LRH advices, the leadership style and many parts of the administrative system (HCO PLs) of scientology. Parts of the technology have helped me so I am not critical altogheter and I don’t think that everything should be thrown away. So even though I am supportive of the independents in their fights against the abuses of the church of scientology I am certainly not all for the subject of scientology. I don’t believe either that all of the defects of the present church of scientology should be ascribed to David Miscavige. I certainly not support the man (DM), but I believe LRH was the engineer of the system as well.
This is my position. I realize that it is different from the one of several of the people here or several of the independents but even though I think differently, be assured that in me you can have a friend and someone who respects the difference we have in opinion. You are a great person because you have decided to follow the path of self improvement, you are a great person because you have decided to stand up against the abuses, we simply do not believe in exactly the same things.
Best Regards
Paolo Ruggeri
November 1, 2010 at 5:18 am
Huckleberry
November 2, 2010 at 2:36 pm
Huckleberry
Paolo, I forgot to add this to my link. Do you think it’s just happenstance that this Dutch girl decided to play the trumpet at the age of six, and became so good by 12 that she’s performing with Andre Rieu? You make valid points about some of the failings of Scientology, but the true nature of who we are, lifetime after lifetime, is that really in doubt?
November 6, 2010 at 8:51 pm
Paolo
Huckleberry, thank you for the fantastic vid.
Look, I am not critical of the technology of scientology, not even of Hubbard (Jesse Prince last posts were great. It really cleared up a lot of things about what happened in the last years of hubbard life …). Several parts of the tech of scientology are useful and, in my view, helpful if the abuses and the abusive practices are taken away.
For me abusive is not only the RPF but also KSW because, in my view (but I respect yours) is an offence to my intelligence: what do you mean that only Hubbard can develop and discover things? It is a paradigm I cannot accept. Hubbard was a genius, had a lot of skills but I cannot accept someone who says “I am the only one”, it is against what I believe as far as leadership goes.
Getting to past lives: I believe I am a spirit, I believe there is a future after death, only I don’t know what it is. I, personally, like the idea of past and future lives but, my friend, we have no scientific evidence. So my answer to you is “I know there is something, I just don’t know what it is”.
Huckleberry perhaps my problem is that I am getting old and the more you study self improvement, the more questions and doubts arise. St Augustin used to say: “The more I study, the more I learn, the more uncertain I become…”. I am that way.
Now, the reason I posted what I posted is that I don’t like anymore labels. I don’t want someone to call me a scientologist or even and independent because I am not a scientologist and I am not an independent in the same way I don’t like someone to call me a follower of Stephen Covey or Seth Godin, because I read their books or practice their teachings. I am someone (and so are you) greater than any label.
And besides everything the “scientologist label” has been used in the past to exploit us of our money, of our personal lives and to make us commit things that I later deeply regretted. I feel shame for having supported for several years an abusive group like the church of scientology. So I don’t want to be associated in any way with the subject.
Besides that, I am grateful to Marty for all what has done to bring light to the subject and I do respect you and your beliefs if you want to carry on and start again scientology. I chose to stay put, to carry on with my life and to be my own guru.
Paolo
November 7, 2010 at 8:40 pm
martyrathbun09
Done with following Forest Gump out into the wilderness, right?